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An interesting eighth

The monumentally Cublike way in which Chicago managed to gift wrap Sunday's 2-1 Dodgers win was certainly noteworthy.  Three walks, a missed attempt to catch a guy off second base, and a hit batter to finally lose it?   No Dodger puts a ball in play?  If you wrote a movie where Chicago loses a critical game in that fashion, people would dismiss it as cliche. "That wouldn't even happen to the Cubs," they'd say. 

But as much fun as that was (I already sent a note to my buddy J.T., a native of the Windy City and devoted Cubs fan, making fun of his team), the most interesting part of the game came in the eighth.  Lots of maneuvering, a few pitching changes, and very mixed results for each manager.  It's was the sort of stuff that makes baseball ripe for debate, provided a good illustration of long term and short term thinking and how it can impact a game, and perhaps a small window into managerial styles. (Note:  If you're not the type who likes to dissect strategy, you'll want to skip the rest of this post...) 

Start in the top of the frame.  Dodgers reliever Rudy Seanez, in his second inning of work, allows a leadoff single to Alfonso Soriano who goes to third on a Ryan Theriot knock.  Derrek Lee singles.  1-0 Cubs.  Action in the pen (I believe it came here).  Seanez forces Theriot at third on a bad Michael Barrett bunt attempt.  Mark DeRosa flies deep to center, advancing Lee to third.  Seanez then walks Matt Murton to load the bases. 

Next to bat for Chicago was speedy but relatively nonthreatening outfielder Angel Pagan, but Lou Piniella had both Cliff Floyd and Aramis Ramirez available on the bench.  Grady Little brings in lefty Joe Beimel, basically guaranteeing an at bat for the right-handed Ramirez, who as we all know, doesn't suck.  Ramirez hits the ball hard, pushing Brady Clark to the track in right where he makes the catch.  Danger averted.  I asked Little about that sequence after the game:

BK: In the eighth, when you brought in Beimel, you knew Pagan wouldn't end up hitting against him, right?  You had Brazoban (who had warmed up as well). 

GL: That other kid (meaning Brazoban) is relatively new here to our ballclub this season.  What we're looking for right there with the bases loaded is somebody we know is going to throw a strike, in that situation there.  And Joe is our best bet for that.  If we put (Brazoban) out there, he walked the first hitter he saw the other day.  We didn't want to take a chance of that happening again. 

BK: You pulled Rudy because he was struggling a little bit?

GL: Rudy was out of gas.  He gave us everything he had there for an inning and two-thirds.  We know what's going to happen.  Either Floyd's going to be hitting against Rudy, or (Ramirez against a lefty).  We didn't feel like Pagan was going to be still hitting.  But it ended up Ramirez up there against Joe, and we trust Joe against anybody.  His numbers against righties are just as good as lefties in the last two years we had him here, and we knew Joe was going to throw a strike. 

BK: So in that situation, you don't necessarily worry about the lefty-righty thing.  You just pick the guy you have the most faith in? 

GL: We have to have somebody we know is going to throw a strike.  And a lot of pitches are different when the bases are loaded, when they're trying to throw a strike.  We're still bonding with Brazoban a little bit.  We've got to find out for sure what he can do.

I thought this was interesting.  And other issues were in play as well.  Little said after the game that they wanted to do everything they could to give Takashi Saito a day off (he spoke at length before the game about the need to keep his closer fresh).  That meant Jonathan Broxton was Sunday's closer, and might have to be used later in the game.  So what would normally be a natural time to use him wasn't on Sunday.  Chad Billingsley pitched three innings on Saturday, so I'm sure Little and Co. hoped to give him the day as well.  So in that context, they're choosing between Beimel and Brazoban.  Theoretically, I'd rather face Floyd than Ramirez, but in a tight spot would rather have Beimel on the mound than Brazoban. 

Now some numbers- Ramirez hits lefties at a .361 clip, righties at a still respectable .277.  Beimel had a good success in '06 against righties, holding them to a decent .277 average.  This year, however, righties have hit him harder (.302).  So at least in theory, the numbers say you'd want a righty to face Ramirez.  In practice, I think most people would feel more comfortable with Beimel (myself included).  Maybe he should have left Seanez in, then brought in Beimel if Piniella sent Floyd to the plate (the Cubs skip likely would have countered with Ramirez anyway, so there's a chance the situation would have ended up the same).  Or another option would have been to leave Seanez in for one more batter to keep the righty-righty matchup, but is a fatigued Seanez a better option than a fresh Beimel?  I'd say no. 

Onto the bottom of the inning.  Little sends Andre Ethier to the plate, pinch hitting for Andy LaRoche, with Wilson Betemit on deck.  Piniella then replaces righthanded reliever Michael Wuertz- who has held lefties to a .263 average this year, all hitters to an overall .143 average in May, sports a 1.83 ERA and had worked a perfect seventh- with lefty Scott Eyre, who has basically been throwing B.P. this season.  In theory, Piniella gets the lefty-lefty matchup he wants, and can turn Betemit around to bat righthanded.  Little countered with Nomar instead of Betemit.  Piniella brought in righty Bob Howry to face Garciaparra.  Little then sent Betemit to the plate after Nomar anyway, and he was able to bat lefthanded.   So what did Piniella get for all his maneuvering?  Three pitchers burned in the inning, and the tying home run from Eithier off Eyre. 

Obviously, the results favor Little and the Dodgers.  But it could have just as easily gone the other way.  Not because one guy was right and the other wrong- although given Eyre's lack of success this season, I don't see why he'd be brought in to face anyone in a tight game- but because in most any situation where you're talking pitchers and hitters, the odds favor the hitter failing and the pitcher succeeding.  That's just how the game works.  I asked Little about what he was thinking in the bottom half of the inning as well:

BK: You pinch hit Ethier in the bottom half with Betemit out on deck.  Were you hoping to chase Wuertz at that point?  Or was it simply a matter of wanting Andre to bat?

GL:  We knew Andre was in the game, because we knew we were going to hit for Clark right after that also, and we don't have an abundance of players we can shuttle (in and out).  But it turned out good, didn't it? 

BK:  But in terms of maneuvers, did you get what you were looking for?  Was that what you were hoping would happen, in terms of matchups?

GL: Andre was going to hit.  And we knew Betemit and Nomar were going to hit that inning.  It turned out good today. 

I didn't expect Little to call Piniella an idiot or anything (though it would have made for fun blogging).  And certainly just as the Dodgers staff knew Ramirez or Floyd would hit for Pagan, I'm sure Piniella's gang thought Nomar and Betemit were a possibility as well.  This, of course, follows the general rule of "If I can see it coming, the guys in the dugout probably can, too."  And I don't know the ins and outs of the Cubs pitching staff over the last week or two.  Who's been working too much, who's been underworked, etc.  I do know they haven't pitched well in the pen for a large part of the season, which impacts things, I'm sure.  As I left his office, I told Grady I thought it was a fun inning, because a lot was going on.  "There's a lot happening the whole game," he said.  And of course, that's true.

To me, it revealed some potential differences in management style.  Little went with the arm he was most comfortable with in Beimel, rather than sticking to the numbers (the gaudy average of Ramirez against lefties being the most striking).  But Little also was working within other constraints- a very strong desire to give Saito a day off (long term vs. short term consideration), Broxton in a closer role, three innings of Bills the day before, and the fact Brazoban is still relatively fresh off injury and only recently returned to the bigs.  Piniella seemed to favor the lefty-lefty matchup, bringing in Eyre to face Ethier.  Ramirez almost made Little pay.  Ethier cashed in on Piniella and Eyre.  In general, I tend to think Little plays numbers and matchups less by the numbers (though he and his staff are aware of them) and more by larger trends and what his gut tells him is right.  Sometimes that's good, since a slavish devotion to matchups or stats can be very counterproductive.  Sometimes it's bad (playoffs, Penny). 

There's a good chance a seasoned baseball guy would look at this and point out other factors I left out of the equation (in fairness, nobody wants to read literally EVERYTHING there is to say about the eighth inning of Sunday's game).  I'm sure I'm forgetting something, or underestimating something else.  I just thought it was a great example of what makes baseball fun.  For many managerial moves, there's often a second option that seems very viable.  Or a third, or a fourth.  From day to day, the "correct" move may indeed be correct for that day, but working against long term considerations, like giving a guy a day off.  On the other hand, maybe sticking to the idea that player must have rest that day is a mistake.  And for any move a manager makes, there's a counter from the opposing manager.   

Generally the one who is deemed a genius is the guy for whom the result turns out the best, whether it was really "the best" move or not.  Because for a lot of things- a pitching change or matchup, for example- the odds favor a good result for the hurler.  Conversely, they'll almost always work against a batter. And in the end, we'll usually evaluate the results based on which team won, and our own concepts of what we'd do if we were in charge.  It's all part of the fun. 

BK

Comments

I think Grady made the right moves in Sundays game although I wondered why he ever took out Wolf. He only pitched what 84 or 86 pitches. I wonder why some of these questions are not asked when the Dodgers lose. By the way, the catch Either made in the 8th was super.

Package-

He was over 100, I believe, after the sixth. 102 or something. As for the questions, they're often asked, but it's easier to have a conversation when the team wins or when the moves being discussed weren't the deciding factor. If there's a move in a loss, say Little brings in X instead of Y, or pinch hits Y instead of Z, that almost always gets asked in the postgame questions- managers just tend to be sensitive about the q's when that was the move that "lost" a game.

BK

Since it's a day off for the Dodgers, I decided to do a little research and check on a story that was a fairly hot topic not too long ago.

LA drafted Luke Hochevar and they couldn't come to an agreement on a contract after he had significant success at Tennessee.

At this time it appears to be a situation that worked out well for the Dodgers:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Luke%2520Hochevar&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460024

BK
I stand corrected! It was 102. I must have misunderstood the announcer. Well at least I can say when I'm wrong when I am wrong, which is more than I can say for Little.

Seriously though, I would like to see Little take more accountability for some of the moves he has taken regarding resting of players at the same time and whcih days they are off. You know Grady can't be a genius all the time. We bloggers are all stoked by his know how.

Most of the 'moves' in baseball are meaningless. pure luck.

I wanted to go to see one of these three games, but for a number of reasons, mainly poor planning, I was busy. I 've never been to RFK Stadium and wanted to be there, because I heard it's coming down. That happened to me twice before, but I had no trouble. I went to Fenway Park, for the same reason in 2002, caught Derek Lowe pitch a no-hitter, for the Redsox. If that ain't enought, when I went to Wrigley Field in Chicago in 2005, would you believe I saw him pitch a 1-hitter,for Dodgers. Look it up. I hope to get to RFK some time this year. Been to Philly a number of times. No no-hitters, nor 1-hitters. Oh, Neither Fenway nor Wrigley were thrown down. But veteran Stadium was.

Dodger 1955-

There's a lot of truth to that. I was actually talking about that with my dad today. Not all, as you point out, but the biggest factor in whether a manager looks smart or not is the performance of the guys on the field. They can make him look brilliant or totally idiotic, irrespective of whatever wisdom or idiocy is inherent in their managerial decisions. That's part of what makes all this so much fun. There are so many factors that play into figuring out what's smart or not, and the result doesn't always help.

BK

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