From the firm of Kuroda, Martin and Mitchell
A few items: First, Tony Jackson of the Daily News reports that the Dodgers have indeed landed Japanese ace HIROKI (I, unlike BK, respect the man enough to learn his name) Kuroda. Three year deal. Somewhere between 36-40 mil. Welcome to America, indeed. With Kuroda in place, a solid Dodger rotation becomes even further bolstered (a healthy Jason Schmidt makes it potentially deadly) while keeping the important players in place. In other words, no holes created in an effort to fill a gap. Obviously, Kuroda still needs to prove himself, but in theory, good stuff... though the folks at TrueBlueLA might disagree.
Second, Russell Martin got some dap from the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame. A very nice honor, even if the namesake was a Sawx fan.
Third, assuming you're not thoroughly sick of anything "Mitchell Report" by now, I wanted to share a piece I wrote about the opus for Sportshubla.com, the site BK and I run. In a nutshell, I think unless it sparks some definitive action on the part of Bud Selig, the union and (especially) the fans, a lot of trees were killed to "reveal" what we already knew.
-AK

He's right. It got into my head as Hideki, and getting it out is proving a little tougher than I would hope.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | December 15, 2007 at 02:03 PM
why dont the dodgers try and go after kazmir from the D-rays, first of all he is only 23 and has a career W-L of 35-29 with a 3.64 era. Dont let the win loss record fool you (remember he pitches for the D-rays) he is a legit pitcher. And now that we signed Kuroda we have a pitching staff of all right handers, and kazmir is left handed. I believe the dodgers could make a deal surrounding Ethier.
Posted by: Peter | December 15, 2007 at 02:05 PM
Of course, it would be easier for BK to learn "Hiroki" if every time I reminded him, he didn't respond with, "Why the %#*& should I have to learn his name? I'm the one with the %#@& blog!"
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | December 15, 2007 at 02:14 PM
Yea! Great move by Ned to grab Kuro, makes me feel a lot better about the rotation. Now if only Schmidt or Loaiza could come correct - At least we have some breathing room to let them figure out who will fill the 5 spot.
Now lets fill out the bench & the bullpen. - who's our long reliever? guess whoever doesn't win the 5 spot.
Hopefully this lifts a bit of pressure off Ned so that now he doesn't have to spin Kemp or Either into an ace. Hang on to em! (Maybe the White Sox will feel compelled to take Pierre off our hands--they need a centerfielder & a leadoff hitter) We'll see - anyway i feel like Ned's made some good moves for us -- kinda excited to see this team
Posted by: jukuren | December 15, 2007 at 02:44 PM
We still need to trade Kemp because Plaschke said so and we need to aquire Tejada because Rosenthal said it makes sense to do package deal for him and Saint Eric Bernard....
Will any of you ever believe the garbage that suckered you, as it was intended 'The Dodgers seem willing to give up Loney, Kemp, Billingsley and Kershaw for Cabrera" ?
But of course, you will. Just as all of you that will never watch baseball because of the Mitchell report will be first in line at the gate opening day at Dodger Stadium.
I bet most of you are on chat rooms discussing trading Eithier of Troy Glaus!!!
Posted by: DODGER 1955 | December 15, 2007 at 03:23 PM
I say we go with what we got now. We don't need to try to upgrade more and lose some potentially great players. Let the rookies play
Posted by: K T USN | December 15, 2007 at 04:10 PM
Domo arigato, Colletti-san!!
Posted by: DodgerBlueBalls | December 15, 2007 at 04:26 PM
Everything is now Hiroki-Dokee!
NOW can we get a thirdbaseman, and retire Kent to the studfarm.
Posted by: benzo jones | December 15, 2007 at 05:38 PM
are you all kidding? has colleti ever heard of kei igawa? or tracked dice-k's performance last year? kuroda couldn't even dominate an inferior league, and now the dodgers are giving him $12m per? this is crazy. just like the jones signing. this off season is shaping up to be the same as the last. at least with schmidt, there was a minute chance that the signing was going to work out. sheesh.
Posted by: johnk348 | December 15, 2007 at 06:03 PM
I was glad to hear that the Dodgers signed Kuroda, i.e., if it keeps them from trading the kids. However, I think it's too early for anyone to fully endorse this signing, since I'm guessing that none of us has actually seen him pitch.
At this point I think we have to simply trust that the Dodgers scouted him thoroughly, and trust that they know what they're doing. Yes, it's true that Kuroda's stats in Japan weren't great, but they weren't terrible either. And keep in mind that although he was facing inferior hitters, he was also pitching in smaller ballparks.
As for the comparison with Kei Igawa, I offer the following. Kuroda has a reputation for having excellent control. Igawa issue 37 BB in 67.2 innings with the Yankees. I do not know if he had such control problems in Japan.
Bottom line. We'll have to wait and see how well he performs. Let's hope that Schmidt recovers, and that one or two our younger pitchers (McDonald, Miller, Elbert, Meloan) step up. Maybe even Kuo can bounce back. As for Kershaw, I think he would be best served by another year in the minors.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | December 15, 2007 at 06:37 PM
Benzo Jones,
"Everything is now Hiroki-Dokee!"
I'd trademark that right now. haha
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | December 15, 2007 at 06:51 PM
AK,
I can see the t-shirts now...
As a sign of respect, I hereby bequeath any licensing or financial rewards from the phrase "Hiroki-Dokee" to you and your brother.
Merry Christmas.
Posted by: benzo jones | December 15, 2007 at 07:48 PM
it appears that the Dodgers paid fair market value...Royals offered $48 mill over four years. I think that the Mariners offered like 8-10 mill per and he turned them down. I think that any quality pitcher is going to cost at least 10 mill a year. Kris Benson makes 9.5 million, Kelvim Esobar makes 9, freddy garcia 10, Maddox 10 million. If Hiroki can win 15 games he is worth the 12 million. And as they say...its not my money...so why care?
Posted by: richard | December 15, 2007 at 08:25 PM
Like the signing. But boy, is pitching getting expensive. If the Dodgers will be paying Kuroda $12 million a year as a "middle to back" of rotation hurler, what will it cost them to keep Penny and Lowe, who become free agents after this season? And if they don't resign Penny and Lowe, who besides Kuroda and Billingsley will they send to the mound in 2009?
Posted by: pl | December 15, 2007 at 08:53 PM
Sorry if some of this sounds familiar. I posted the first portion earlier, but then made some corrections and additions after the first post was blocked by the infamous spam filter. And as has happened before, the post that was reported blocked was, in fact, posted.
I was glad to hear that the Dodgers signed Kuroda, i.e., if it keeps them from trading the kids. However, I think it's too early for anyone to fully endorse this signing, since I'm guessing that none of us has actually seen him pitch.
At this point I think we have to simply trust that the Dodgers scouted him thoroughly, and trust that they know what they're doing. Yes, it's true that Kuroda's stats in Japan weren't great, but they weren't terrible either. And keep in mind that although he was facing inferior hitters, he was also pitching in smaller ballparks.
As for the comparison with Kei Igawa, I offer the following. Kuroda has a reputation for having excellent control. Igawa issued 37 BB in 67.2 innings with the Yankees. I do not know if he had such control problems in Japan.
Bottom line. We'll have to wait and see how well Kuroda performs. Let's hope that Schmidt recovers, and that one or two our younger pitchers (e.g., McDonald, Miller, Elbert, Meloan) step up, if needed, sometime during the season. Maybe even Kuo can bounce back. As for Kershaw, I think he would be best served by another year in the minors.
One other point. With the addition of Andruw Jones and the continued growth of the younger players (Kemp, Ethier, Martin, etc.), I believe that the Dodgers will generate considerably more power in 2008 than they did in 2007. Kuroda from what I've read should slot well into the 3 or 4 spot in the rotation. The combination of five dependable starters with an improved offense, should result in fewer close games, and create some breathing room for the bullpen. Breathing room translates into less of a chance that we will see a repeat of last year when both Broxton and Beimel made 83 appearances for the Dodgers, and Proctor made 83 for the Yankees and Dodgers combined (quite a few of those with the Dodgers).
Of course, things could change before the season starts. It's possible the Dodgers have deals in the works, so this is all very preliminary.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | December 15, 2007 at 10:04 PM
The signing of Kuroda now gives the Dodgers a potential five man rotation consisting exclusively of righthanders.
In an earlier post, Peter also mentioned the all right handed rotation, and suggested that the Dodgers "could make a deal surrounding Ethier" that would net them Scott Kazmir. I would be opposed to a deal that included Ethier and a bunch of top prospects. However, if it were possible to swing a three way deal whereby the Dodgers traded Ethier and either Lowe or Penny (preferably Lowe, because of his questionable hip) to the Rays for Kazmir, and then the Rays were able to turn around Lowe/Penny for a couple of good prospects from a third team, maybe something could happen. In essence, the Rays would get Ethier and two prospects for Kazmir. And, recognizing that that may not be enough, perhaps the Dodgers could also include another pitching prospect (not named Kershaw) in the deal, giving the Rays a proven major league hitter and three good prospects.
If not Kazmir, perhaps this same concept could be applied to the Orioles for Eric Bedard, or some other deal. Probably all imaginary, but interesting to think about. Don't hold your breath.
By the way, none of this would get my approval if it included Matt Kemp. Of course, on that point I know that I would get at least some disagreement (maybe a lot).
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | December 15, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Brooklyn
I wouldn't sweat the all right-handed starting rotation that much because it's really over rated. Where you need the variety is in the bullpen--being able to turn switch-hitters around or change from inning to inning and having the ability to match a lefty to a hitter who struggles against them during crunch time is far more important. With that said, where the all right handed rotation can be worrisome is if your starters all throw the same pitches pretty much the same way. Then, you go into a 3 or 4 game series and the opposition can really get locked in if every starter is throwing a 92 mph fastball, an 84 mph slider, etc, all from the same arm angle. What's more important therefore is having pitchers who pitch differently. Lowe features a real hard sinker, however, Penny, Bills, and Schmidt (although I didn't see enough of him last year to remember much) seem to be very similar pitchers and could lose effectivness if they all follow each other in the rotation. Here's to hoping that Kuroda is unique enough with his "shuuto" and his arm angle to give hitters a totally different feel than the previous 3. As it stands now, I'd say you'd start with Penny, then Lowe, Bills, Kuroda, and Schmidt knowing that at least 2 similar pitchers are going back to back.
Your trade proposal is interesting. To be honest, when I first read it, I thought that it'd never fly because trading one of your aces plus others to get another pitcher just for the sake of the pitcher being left handed is not really adding, but subtracting depth for a reason that, as I said, is over hyped. But, upon further review, it could make sense from this light--Lowe and Penny only have 1 year left and I trust that the Dodgers have already decided that they'll only be able to afford one of them. If, you could essentially flip them for a pitcher who you could control for more time and less money without down grading the staff, it could really be a sharp move. Maybe Kazmir, maybe Bedard. I believe Bedard has 2 years left on his current deal, so would it make sense to replace one year of Lowe for 2 years of Bedard? It might if the rest of the package wasn't too steep. I know Lowe would like to go back to Boston (at least that's what I've heard) and with the Yankees now getting back into the Santana market, I could see Boston losing Santana to the Yankees and then feeling desparate to make a move. Their depth is in the outfield and so is ours, so I don't see us trading Lowe to them. They would REALLY be after Bedard, but Baltimore has already said that they don't want to give him to a division rival. Sooooo, maybe then we pull the trigger on a deal netting us Bedard and sending Lowe (and others) to Baltimore who flips Lowe to Boston--since they probably wouldn't feel nearly the same about Lowe going to Beantown as Bedard going. It all seems to make some sense, but with most trade speculation like this, it's about 99% fun and 1% reality. Probably never happen, but since it's the Hot Stove League, we may as well play the game and enjoy.
Posted by: dodgerskip | December 16, 2007 at 04:45 AM
i like your idea brooklyn.
i am a little wary at having an all exclusive right handed rotation. since lowe will be a free agent next year, this might be a good move. i'd hate to see ethier go though. i think he is developing into a solid outfielder who will have a successful carreer in the bigs. but i think we need a soild lefty and kazmir or bedard would be nice.
how long would kazmir be under contract for if we were to trade for him?
Posted by: el jeffe | December 16, 2007 at 05:55 AM
our starting rotation is looking good with kuroda at the number four spot after lowe, penny, bills. at the five spot, i think it will be between meloan, kuo, and schmidt.
our lineup is looking good with the addition of mattingly as a hitting coach. more than torre, i think mattingly is key for our team. i think he'll be able to help out furcal, jones, garciaparra if we keep him. a lineup of martin, loney, kent, furcal, garciaparra, kemp, ethier, jones looks pretty good.
Posted by: luke | December 16, 2007 at 08:22 AM
dodgers also looking at kris benson tomorrow. not sure i'd roll the dice on this guy, especially with hiroki signed. story below:
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/16/kris-benson-update/
Posted by: ed | December 16, 2007 at 09:22 AM
Kazmir is a young pitcher with a live arm, but like with most good young pitchers he has control issues, but a ton of strike outs. He had 239 Ks with 89 BBs in 206.2 innings.
Posted by: richard | December 16, 2007 at 10:13 AM
At this point, it's pure speculation about Kuroda. He could be Hideo Nomo, or he could be Hideki Irabu. Even Nomo proved to be less than advertised after batters learned not to fall for the motion. So let's not assume the Dodgers are stacked until we see what he's made of.
Still, you have to like the depth in their rotation, pushing Loaiza back to sixth starter. Bret Tomko was our sixth starter at the beginning of spring training 07, and ended up being the fourth starter for far too much of last year.
Plus I wouldn't assume the Dodgers are done dealing. A quality lefthander in the rotation, even at the price of a top young outfielder, would still be worth it. Haren's off the market, but if Santana is still available for something like Kemp and Kershaw, there's no reason not to pull that trigger.
More likely, we'll see a less blockbuster move, like Pierre for Crede straight up. That moves the logjam from leftifeld to third base, but it might make LARoche available to a team like the Devil Rays that wants young prospects in return for pitching.
You can never have too much pitching. Ever. We might have learned that last year, having Timberr in the rotation for two months. I hope the Dodgers have a long memory.
Posted by: SaMo | December 16, 2007 at 11:16 AM
I like the signing for much of the same reasons everyone else has said - they did not have to trade away guys like Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, or James Loney to do it. Yes it's a lot of money, but this is MLB, where money talks. Actually, he had bigger offers to go elsewhere so it's somewhat of a bargain in a twisted kind of way.
As for having no lefties, it's not a big deal, but it would be nice to have. Rather than trading for one, I offer you one name of someone they already have - Clayton Kershaw. He's young right now, but he is a stud. I can see him getting a shot during the season. Remember that name.
Posted by: Aaron | December 16, 2007 at 12:46 PM
AK,
I think you got the wrong Tip O'Neill. Try this one - apparently the award was named after him and not the former Speaker:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_O%27Neill_%28baseball%29
Posted by: spox | December 16, 2007 at 01:20 PM
Kuroda may not be anything more than speculation in our rotation at this moment, but it's got to help put some of us at ease, knowing that one of the people spending a good deal of time scouting Kuroda was Logan White.
Posted by: Cozmo Kramer | December 16, 2007 at 02:23 PM