On the dotted line

So what is the chance any Dodgers will be named on the Mitchell report ?

Nomar is on the list. Wonder if that explains his constant injuries and sudden drop in power numbers last year? Mondesi, Gange, Ismael Valdez are the Dodgers I saw. The Drudge Report had a link to the complete list a half hour ago and it has since been taken down.

Actually, I was pretty pleased that I didn't see more Dodgers on the list. One name I saw was Miguel Tejada, not that would probably come as any big surprise. But, isn't it interesting that Baltimore has been trying to trade him for the last year to several teams, the Angels among them, only to be able to move him the day before the list comes out--wonder if Houston is wishing they'd waited now. Albert Pujols was on the list as well--probably explains his sudden struggles last year. One thing I like about all this, is that we might finally be able to get back to being able to compare players from different eras. I remember when I was growing up and George Foster was the only one who had reached 50 homers for decades, then last decade Brady Anderson (on the list) hits 50 and so did everyone else with some power. You think of guys that many of us rooted for Garvey, Cey, Lopes etc. their numbers look pitiful compared to players today, but maybe in the next few years we'll realize that 25 homers and 100 RBI's (without any help from the juice) is a pretty good year after all.

The Times article mentioned how Jones has never been on the disabled list.
Is that the kiss of death or what?
How much you want to bet this will be the year. Dodgers FA's have a history of getting on the DA.

Ron Artest
There are worse things Kemp could be than like Gary Sheffield. The attitude can be adjusted. I would love it if he became as good as Shef.

Gange was a given....everybody had to know that after he went from being a average - bad starting pitcher and then came back huge and became a all-star. He stole the Dodgers money and then showed how bad he was off steroids.

I thought Nomar might be on list

The Mitchell report and press conferences probably delayed the Kuroda announcement. Hopefully tomorrow...

With Hendrickson and Tomko gone, who's going to pitch the garbage innings? I hope the Blue give the young arms a chance during the first half of the season before they settle on any veterans in the bullpen.

bigyoonit,

You posted this on the last thread:

"Calm down, fellas. I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest with you over something so trivial. I was just wanted to mention Brooklyn to point out an inconsistency in replying to posts that he/she doesn't like.

I commend you, Ned Colletti, Jr., for your valued news-reporting. More importantly, I commend your father for extending the hope that Kemp will remain a Dodger. And I look forward to your next post that confirms this."

1. I am a 'he", so the "he/she" will no longer be necessary.

2. Could you please elaborate on your comments concerning my "inconsistency"? Haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.

Nomar on roids! That explains the twins.

BK - "...feet spread too far in the box (could happen to any of us)..."

Yeah, just ask Sen. Larry Craig!

Kidding aside, I do NOT agreewith Ruben on Gagne being a "given". he may or may not used 'roids, but even if he did I don'think you can claim he "stole" the Dodgers money. Hardly. A Cy Young? ,

Here's the link to the whole 409 page report in PDF format.

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

Dodgerskip,

I don't see Nomar anywhere in the report, other than a brief footnote unrelated to any steroid use allegation. Did I miss something?

Wow, Wow, Wow. Page 209 of the report. Paul Lo Duca trade was because he stopped taking steroids!!!! Says Dodger front office, in an internal memo said he had stopped using and was losing his value. Wow, Wow. I'm reading through it now, if I find more stuff relavent to us I'll pass it on.

At least no current Dodgers were named in the report, though I doubt all of them are steriod/HGH free. Just lucky to dodge that bullet.

Will this report jump the free-agent market again? It may be that some teams will be looking for free-agents to take the place of their newly signed free-agents. Yankees, Astros and Brewers: Caveat Emptor!

Nomar is not on the list. But LoDuca is all over it. Gagne too, as we all expected.

Glad to see so few Dodgers. Though in truth, it only means they were merely smartt enough to net get caught.

Brooklyn -

1. Got it. I didn't want to ASS_U_ME anything.

2. Was another post by dodgerskip very similar to the one I wrote, which you took issue with but refrained from interjecting...I guess it isn't a level playing field here. Or you got the message.

3. 'Why can't we all just... get along?' I'll stop wasting space on this thread now. Go Blue.

Matt Herges, Paul LoDuca, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne, Adam Riggs, Chris Donnels, Jeff Williams, Ishmael Valdez, Mike Judd, Phil Hiatt, Todd Williams, FP Santangelo, Todd Hundley, Gary Sheffield. So much for saying I was glad that the Dodgers didn't have many names. In actuality, in skimming the report for a half an hour, I've seen more Dodgers names than other teams. However, this stems from the fact that one of the guys who exposed his selling of the "stuff" was involved heavily in the Dodger system--if someone else had come forward from another team, then that team would probably have a lot of names. One name I have not come across from the 'actual' report and not just a list of names said to be from the report is Nomar's. It may be there, but I haven't found it yet. Still looking through it all, but I'll have to stop in a few minutes to go to work.

Really looks like Lo Duca was a major part of the steroid stuff. He introduced guys to it.

And of course, Hundley was the starting point for the Dodgers. What, he didn't kill us enough on the field?

Yeah, but it was the steroid era, McGwire, Sosa and Bonds that filled the stadiums. Very few people thrill to seeing a Juan Pierre stealing second!

A lot of hypocrisy all around.

I'm going to have to stop looking and posting for now, but as of yet, no Nomar or Raul Mondesi for that matter have been found in the report by me. Both were definately on the list I saw this morning supplied by one of the New York TV stations web sites who said they had obtained a copy early. Both may still have been doing--because this report only names people who were outed by their suppliers and there were only a couple of suppliers who talked to Mitchell. There are obviously 100's more names of guys who were using--they were just lucky not to have made this report. However, if Nomar and Raul's names are indeed not mentioned in this report, I owe them both an apology and apoligize to the blog for putting them out there without more collaboration. If I were a reporter, I never would have "run with these names" as I did, however, the blog, to me, is more of a public conversation and I think any of us in carrying on a conversation we each other would have brought up the fact that player x,y, or z was mentioned by a source as mainstream as a major TV station.
For Dodger fans though, the fact that steroids played a part in the Paul LoDuca trade--one of the most infamous moves in Dodgers history, sure sheds light on that deal. Maybe DePodesta was not as enamored with Choi as we thought--very interesting.

The ultimate question is - What are they trying to achieve through this?

The union is going to ixnay any toughening of the rules.

It's all kind of sad... it was fun to say Barry was a cheater, but now we have to say Gagne and LoDuca were too. I can't wait for the rash of crap I'll get from my giants friends after they read this... oh yea.... forgot, gnats fans can't read.

bigyoonit,

#1 was cute. Good job.

#2 I'm not very clear on, but in accordance in with #3, your point is well taken. GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!

Maybe, if the league do what they should (suspend the juicers), we may ship Pierre away

Here's Baseball America's Top 10 Dodger prospects:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/features/265297.html

I'm not sure that you will be able to see the article without being a subscriber to Baseball America or their online service. Clicking on the link may result in your having to supply a username and password. But it's worth a try.

I tried to cut and paste the article to this post, but it didn't work.

Now i know why they traded Lo Duca, and if you notice there are no players on list left on the team and i hope it stays that way.
Now if we could only get the feds to get something on Pierre it would be great

Bud Selig is a fool!

The guy is looking for "OBJECTIVE KNOWLEDGE?"

What is objective knowledge? Objective knowledge, to me, is looking at it with common sense. Look at what happened to the drug cocaine.

Back in the 60s and 70s it was an elite/rich man's drug. In the late 70s and in the 80s it came out to the rest of the world. In the 80s it really took off to the point where it was in every street corner in the United States.

I think the same logic has to apply to steroids. I think it was like secret thing at first. Then it was passed around to the lower level of baseball's society.

Once it was passed around to the lowe level it took off to all aspect of the game.

Jose Canceco is the guy who "took it to the baseball streets." But he wasn't the first guy to mess with the drug. He was probably the first to use it outrageously. He was probably the first to pass it around like "hey, look what this drug does!"

Canceco was a fool! But I think if you go back further this stuff probably has it's roots in the 70s. My gut feeling, when I was listening to the Mitchell report was that Nolan Ryan is probably the great granddaddy of the whole era.

Look at Nolan Ryan's career compared to Roger Clemens and I think they both rejuvenated their careers when they were in their 40s.

That's my gut feeling.

Nolan Ryan is the steroid's granddaddy of it all.

mike

I KNEW IT!!

A Dirty Dodger....

He displayed all that power, the speed, the massive line drives into the pavillion.

Fans showered him with tremendous amounts of adulation when he accomplished his incredible feats game after game.

But, now we know.....

He was JUICING!! It's in the report.

So many of my unbelievable memories ruined in one tragic moment.

I'm immensely sullen.

Yes, it's true.

F.P. Santangelo was a juicer.

This seems to confirm that no current Dodgers were named in the Mitchell report.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2324782&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

6-degrees of separation to the bone.

Roger Clemens hometown? Houston!

Nolan Ryan's hometown? Houston!

mike

He's a Cub...

Our old pal, Paul Lo Duca, is mentioned THIRTY SEVEN times in the Mitchell Report. Many times, it is described where Lo Duca is procuring performance enhancing drugs for someone else, or Paul is introducing a fellow ballplayer to his drug hookup (see: Eric Gagne).

Wow...Is Paul Lo Duca trying to become the Pablo Escobar of MLB, or what?!?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/10/30/arts/30pabl600.jpg

By the way, Mr. Teniente, to further solidify your point that this Mitchell Report is a JOKE of a political document, please note there are fourteen different footnotes in the report which refer to JOSE CANSECO's interviews or writings.

did they sign kuroda yet?

Michael,

After re-reading your comments, I think you were not intending to say that the Mitchell report is a joke. I apologize if I misrepresented your opinion.

My opinion is that the report, just like Bud Selig, is indeed a joke. I think there will be no significant actions taken because of the report, and that the sole purpose of the Mitchell Commission report was to get the U.S. Congress off of Major League Baseball's back and preserve MLB's status as the only organization within the United States to legally have an anti-trust exemption status

Players named in the Mitchell report:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

roger clemens was obvious.......
how else do you explain his great stats a couple years ago (some better than when he was in his prime)....then a sudden drop off when all of these investigations began

also his rage in the world series a few years back when he threw the broken bat at piazza

clemens is an idiot.....i hope all these losers get their stats revoked...)which baseball does not have the huevos to do)

i like the comment from someone who posted earlier......25 hr /100 rbi will be a good year again

PK,
Maybe the Feds could get JP for impersonating a big league outfielder?

I called Selig a fool, which is the same as a JOKE!

That report was a joke. To me, it was all orchestrated to protect baseball. There's a lot of money involved and I don't think these guys are going to go after themselves to hard.

They threw a couple of sacrificial lambs (Clemens and Pettitte) out there to legitimize their efforts and to justify their Barry Bonds witch hunt.

I'm not saying that these guys aren't guilty. What I'm saying is that "baseball" is guilty and to punish anyone is pure hypocrisy.

The steroids area is what it is. Baseball let it go for so long that, to me, it's too late to cry foul.

Just let it die but don't act holier than thou over a matter where baseball is standing as the biggest hypocrites in the whole matter.

Let it die!

mike

These old men, Congress and baseball owners, aren't stupid. They control a lot of money and policy. What? You don't think they can get themselves out of this little jam?

They slug themselves in the eye and says to the public: See? We were hurt in the matter, too.

Give me a break!

mike

dave m,

Regarding Kuroda, this was posted by Tony Jackson on his blog:

"Lost in the shuffle of a crazy day, there was nothing new on Kuroda

With tomorrow's section chock-full of the Mitchell Report and steroids/hgh allegations, there simply wasn't time or space to deal much with the Kuroda story -- which was good, considering there was nothing new. He continues to meet with his agent. The fact he still hasn't told the Dodgers he is planning to sign with them certainly isn't a good sign, but it isn't necessarily a bad one, either. All those reports (including mine) that he had made up his mind might have been a tad premature, but even the Seattle papers are starting to concede that it looks like the Mariners lost out on this guy."

Mike,

I'm happy to see we pretty much agree 100%.

Go Dodgers!!!!!

Nomar on the list - Noway! He's old school and have you ever see him stretch before a game? He must take at least half an hour - he cares too much about his health to mess with it.

Mike T
How long have you been a fan of basketball and baseball anyway?

if your golng to sensor any challenge then why have a blog

40 years!

And another thing. That whole Mitchell report didn't say anything knew about Barry Bonds that wasn't already out. That whole report could have been presented without even bringing Barry's name into it at all.

You know Barry is going to beat it in court because that report would have shed some additional light if the government would have anything on him.

That whole report was a mascarade to deal with Bonds. If that wasn't the case then why bring Bonds' name into the matter when the report basically doesn't say anything to convict Barry of anything. Of all the players named it seems Barry's the one who came out clean as far as substantial evidence against someone goes.

I mean they have eye witnesses. They have check snubs and all kinds of stuff on a few people but nothing with any substance on Barry. Why even include Bonds in the report at all?

If this report had any type of intergrity they would have left Barry's name out of it knowing that, compared to everyone else mentioned in the report, had nothing on Bonds.

mike

PK-

If you want to debate, that's fine. What you put up were personal insults. Not Kosher.

BK

Sorry i didn't think it was that bad compared to what MT was saying to people that were against Kawame brown about a week ago.

PK -

Even I've been censored. There is a line.

Read the mitchel report last night - I especially like the part with the wrastling polar bears!

IMHO, the only way we can alleviate this situation is if every current Dodger VOLUNTARILY chooses to be drug tested RIGHT NOW. Otherwise, there will be a lot of speculation going on.

did alot of these players sit out alot of time from the game once they started testing?

was it to get the steroids out of their system?

OK, I read Mitchell report.........................yawn.....................and tonight my brothers, Dad, family friends will gather, pony up a couple hundred dollars each and buy season tickets for the Dodgers . Thie Mitchell report will do nothing to lessen my love for this game.

Also, the guys on the list were just the ones who got caught or who were ratted on. It amazes me that these ballplayers would pay by personal checks and/or like that big dummy LaDuca, send personal notes on LA Dodger letterhead.

Gange was a given...even during his "Game Over" campaign, half that stadium knew he was on the juice...the LA Times never even mentioned it because everybody loves a winner... don't tell me the LA Time writers had no idea he was on steroids!!!

But the Times beat writers and editor and columnist all turned away and instead piled upon the #1 Dodger enemy, Mr. Barry Bonds.

Plaschke is such a hypocrite! In his article today, he writes that since players wouldn't talk about it ('roid use), he couldn't write about it. Bullbleep! Look, I dislike Barroid as much as anyone, yet that aforementioned excuse never stopped Bill or others from writing innuendos or accusations about Bonds--and rightfully so.

Where is his (and the others) responsibility as a journalist (or is that a stretch?). Maybe all of the free food and the chance to rub elbows with the stars is more important than integrity.

Benzojones,

I agree that the section of the Mitchell Report that discusses the Wrastling Polar Bears is significant and quite revealing! However, after reading the report, I found that the most controversial, entertaining, and scandalous part was where Mitchell talks about how "Bearded Lady," Annie Jones http://brightbytes.com/collection/images/ladyAJ.jpg did not actually score her Propecia from Colorado Avalanche goaltender, Jose Theodore, as everyone originally believed. On page 472 of the Mitchell Report, it is actually revealed that Annie Jones' source for the hair-growth enhancing Propecia was in fact: TWIGGY, THE WATER SKIING SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/Q/A/-/-/twiggy.jpg

That's some funny stuff dbb, but I thought the squirrell was actually a weasle...

You need to take down the posts on this blog that falsely state that Nomar was mentioned in the Mitchell report. It is a lie that Nomar is "on the list." NY media rushed into "print" a list of names that falsely slurred several players, including Nomar. The posts on this blog that claim that Nomar was mentioned in the report are, basically, libel, and need to come down.

benzo thanks for the support and MT i tough when we got kawame he would turn out ok but i guess MJ was right ( oh i can't stand that ) and Mitchell is a jerk just spending are taxes.

So we all kind of knew who used steriods but i didn't think Loduca and i remember the year he came up they were saying he was to old ( to long in the minors) WOW