Resolved
With the holidays and Blue Rose Parade floats behind us (and KTLA bricking its Dodger-centric coverage of said parade, in the opinion of third hand gossip), Ravine enthusiasts can officially begin their examination of the impending season. An opening day that can hopefully compete with the excitement generated by celebrated author Jose Canseco dropping another opus. Those counting on a World Series title coming courtesy of a Chin-Hui Tsao will curse the front office aggression of K.C., but such developments aside, the Dodgers have been praised of late for their latest seasonal blueprint. We've already broached the "Do you like the offseason moves" or "where do you think it's all heading" topics on more than one occasion (and fielding related questions when MLB.com's Ken Gurnick isn't carrying the load), so it's silly to spark another identical conversation. But here's something y'all can discuss a bit.
With 362 days remaining in 2008, the months are still very young and capable of shaping. Thus, if you could pick New Year's resolutions for Dodger players, coaches or front office, what would they be?
Off the top of my head, I got a few.
Brad Penny: Make sure that lost offseason weight stays lost.
I've been convinced since Penny arrived in L.A. that his annual second-half swoons and nagging injuries are largely the result of conditioning. Or lack thereof. I'm not a doctor, nor has this notion been confirmed by a doctor, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Last season saw Penny arrive at spring training slim and trim (by his standards), the foundation for a wickedly good April-July. But as we've grown to expect, the second half saw Penny grow a little more doughy and dinged up, with his numbers suffering in turn. Granted, accrued heft wasn't as extreme as 2006's. And neither was the stats drop, which further convinces me that if he stays in shape, an entirely consistent and productive season will follow. 2007 saw Penny evolve from strictly a fire baller to a dude pulling out a grab bag of stops. If he can further shock with his waistline, opposing hitters better look out.
Russell Martin: Recognize that you're already the team's heart and soul, so "vocal leader" is the next logical step.
This Dodger squad, in my opinion, is made up of mostly good eggs, but also decidedly lacking the presence of "a voice." A rallying force to unify players during tough times. Perhaps it's a cliche, but I do believe such things matter. Unfortunately, the list of potential candidates strikes me as either "Players still too young and/or just a bit too immature" (Andre Ethier, James Loney, Matt Kemp), "Veteran hurlers who, like 99% of their pitching brethren, don't feel comfortable in such a role while playing every five days" (Penny, Derek Lowe), "Veterans on the quiet, mellow side" (Nomar Garciaparra, Juan Pierre), "Veterans actually possessing that charisma, but potentially uncomfortable galvanizing the English-only speaking troops in a second language" (Rafael Furcal) or "Veterans who are just plain lost causes for such a quest" (Jeff Kent).
Which leaves the Dodgers with basically one fella. Which works out fine, since I think he's also a great choice and capable of stepping into some vacant shoes. This would be a rather daunting role for most third year players, but Martin is also the most mature young athlete I've ever been around. I don't see this challenge as too much for him, in large part because the requisite respect from his teammates is already there. I've never seen a veteran pitching staff so eagerly gravitate towards a young catcher. And he's already a de facto spokesperson for the "kids," so I don't foresee any resentment from his peer set. Most importantly, I really think the Dodgers sorely need somebody to take these particular reins.
Estaban Loaiza: Man up.
BK and I have often joked that Loaiza was truly a seamless fifth starter replacement for Brett Tomko, in that both not only pitched poorly, but would come up with endless rationales explaining why a shelled outing didn't really go all that bad. On two occasions, I recall Loaiza saying that were it not for multiple homers surrendered during the game, his performance would have been pretty good. Which is like saying that "Minus the four strikeouts, I had a pretty good day at the plate." Look, if you don't throw well, just say so, share what you think what wrong and leave it at that. But these "if my aunt had different anatomy, she'd be my uncle" come off somewhere between "unconvincing" and "occasionally bizarre."
Andy LaRoche: Keep reminding folks that you're the best
I don't care that your young big league career is so far being regarded by some as disappointing. I don't care if those folks would prefer established blood be imported to man the hot corner at your expense. I don't care if you never get another hit while playing for the big club. Your at-bat music still rules. Don't change that tune. Ever. This is coming from me and your uncle Joe Esposito (who also has roots in the baseball community).
Ned Colletti: Treat Juan Pierre's contract for what it is. No more. No less.
A few readers have asked BK and I if we think Ned Colletti will pressure Joe Torre to play Juan Pierre every day to protect his rep, the logic being that Pierre as a fourth outfielder comes off as an admission that signing him was a mistake, a public concession some honchos wouldn't find palatable. My guess? I don't see it as an issue. Colletti has never struck me as particularly ego driven (if anything, more the opposite). Beyond that, Colletti's already demonstrated a willingness to "admit" a move was a mistake in so many words (and deals). His first splashy move of 2006 was trading for Danys Baez. And not much time passed before he shipped Baez to Atlanta for Wilson Betemit (himself flipped the next season). I remember being very impressed that a first season GM would so readily allow a high profile move to come off as a failure. Others might keep Baez around just to prevent crow sandwiches. Besides, Andruw Jones' mere presence equals an admission that 2007's center field "upgrade" required a 2008 makeover, so the writing's already wall bound as it is. Thus, I don't picture Colletti allowing image issues to interfere with Dodger bidness.
But just in case, a reminder...
You're paying Pierre the exact same dollars no matter if he's starting in left, coming off the bench for Ethier, or gets reinvented as a very situational lefty. That weekly paycheck doesn't change. Pierre's is a sunken costs contract any way you slice matters. Therefore, you might as well run with the best outfield. In my humble opinion, that would be Ethier in left, Jones in center, Kemp in right and Pierre putting on a best face while cheering from the dugout. This is no indictment of Pierre. It's just that the other three present a better O/D combo, plain and simple. Obviously, should a trade go down involving one of the four cats in question, everything changes. But otherwise, any self-imposed pressure to "justify" Pierre's presence should be ignored. "Justification" doesn't pay the rent. Wins, however, do.
Joe Torre: When Colletti gives you his blessing when it comes to said Ethier-Jones-Kemp lineup, run with it.
These are just a few I'm throwing out. Got any of your own?
-AK

Can we get Russ Martin a Stovetop hat for the Dias?
You forgot Nomar -
Nomar Garciaparra - Twins are expensive, play hardah!
Posted by: benzo jones | January 03, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Yah
Fucal
Either
Loney
Jones
Kemp
Martin
LaRoch-Nomar
kent
Posted by: pk-in-the-mesa | January 03, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I've got one for some fans who most likely aren't regularly tuned into this blog:
Quit brawling in the Pavillion before we lose $2 Tuesdays and like promotions, you thugs... Some of us are on budgets and it's getting increasingly more difficult to squeeze Doyyer games into them (thanks Frank). Yell, scream, cheer, jeer... But let's give the territorial rivalry thing a break once your inside the Ravine. It's bad enough said behavior prevents me from enjoying a $12 Bud Light.
Is it so hard to come to a game, have a Dog, share some stories and root on the Blue?
Posted by: SCDim30 | January 03, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Jeff Kent: Keep my mouth shut and have fun in my last season.
Larry Bowa: Feel free to chew some ass out when the situation calls for it.
Derek Lowe: Stretch before I warm up in the bullpen.
Jason Repko: Stay away from Rafael Furcal.
Rick Monday: Give the radio listeners the score every once in awhile.
Posted by: Higgins | January 03, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Thanks AK,
Your Pierre comments were very cathartic for me.
All of a sudden I feel much better about The Pierre Situation....I've come to terms with the fact that "The Wolf" won't be coming in to help clean up this mess.
So, I just look at it as Pierre won't cost the Dodgers any more than Darren Dreifort. A deal that now looks like one of the best in MLB history when compared to Juan Gone's.
Posted by: wausroamer | January 03, 2008 at 10:02 PM
AK,
Thanks for stating what seems obvious to those of us that post on the board: Pierre is the 4th best outfielder and the team would be better served with Ethier, Jones, and Kemp playing everyday. I hope that Torre will field the team with the best chance of winning and not just play Pierre because he has a consecutive game string going.
It bothers me to read articles that assume that Pierre has to start everyday while Kemp/Ethier platoon.
If I had a vote, trade Pierre for prospects and let Young/Repko fight for the 4th outfielder spot.
Lex
Posted by: Lex | January 04, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Wausroamer,
Hold on. I'm no fan of Juan Pierre, but the guy shows up every day, works hard and puts up consistent stats year-in, year-out. Granted, they may not be what fans would like, but he produces every year.
Dreifort (a Boras client), produced exactly 9 wins during the life of his 5 year, $55 million contract. Hardly a bonanza.
No question that Pierre is the better value.
Posted by: Chunkdog32 | January 04, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Chunk - really going out on a limb there - "Pierre is a better value than Dreifort." - Groundbreaking stuff, that.
I said it here before - Pierre seems like a good, solid, stand-up guy. And yes, he does put up his stats year in, year out. If he could just stop hitting the ball in the air so much and do something about that pop-gun arm, WOW - what a player he could be.......
At least his arm won't hurt as much over there in LF. And, can we say that he's got a better arm than Gonzo, at least ? Let's look on the bright side, boys.....
Posted by: ALS | January 04, 2008 at 01:43 PM
Chunkdog32,
I was just being absurd. If Dreifort had won 10 games, then, the statement would probably have more veracity.
At least Dreifort will always be the answer to the trivia question of who was selected immediately after Alex Rodriguez in the draft.
Posted by: wausroamer | January 04, 2008 at 07:19 PM
As far as the outfield goes:
Jones is better than Pierre
Ethier is better than Gonzo
Kemp in '08 is better than Kemp in '07
But unfortunately,
Gonzo is better than Pierre
Full time Kemp is better than a Kemp/Ethier platoon
A Pierre/Ethier platoon makes no sense whatsoever.
If Pierre is given the LF job full time next season, the Jones signing does not solve a thing. Let's hope there's enough wisdom in the Dodgers organization to see what is so apparent to most of us.
Posted by: Makoto Ueno | January 04, 2008 at 11:57 PM
At risk of starting a flame war, but I kinda miss our banter since it looks like everyone went way for the holidays....
Isn't Pierre's OF job his to lose?
Shouldn't the incumbent be beaten in a battle for the position?
If it is really Kent's last year can we buy him a Pink Caddy to drive around the warning track?
Posted by: benzojones | January 05, 2008 at 06:19 AM
Pierre is a perfect example of how stats need to be taken with a grain of salt. His stats look good, but anyone who watches him play day in and day out see all of the things that the stats don't tell us, mainly making productive outs, moving runners, all of the little things. So in the end you have a guy who plays every day, hits about .300, steals over 50 bases, and yet most of the fans who watch him would rather someone else play. I also believe OPS is the most accurate offensive stat and Pierre is woefully short on both parts. And no doubt he is an "upstanding" citizen, and works hard, but does he work hard on the things he needs to? Like his angle on the ball in center? Bunting, especially Drag Bunting? Taking more pitches? The Brett Butler slap single to left? He seems to me, and I may be dead wrong here, an upstanding man who works hard only on his own statistics.
Also, I'd like to know if anyone knows if he ever told Little last year that the team's success was more important than his streak, and that Little shouldn't consider his streak when deciding who to play? That would be an "upstanding", team before individual kind of thing to do.
Posted by: DCDodger | January 05, 2008 at 07:59 AM
Resolved--
That Torre puts the BEST players in the starting Lineup.
David
Posted by: david | January 05, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Pierre had a bad season. But look at his work over the last 4 years. He's been a productive hitter w/on base percent. He would be a great late inning player with a start at any outfield position, (every five days that is) that will give him enough playing time. It will also keep the outfielders on their toe's.
It's a good problem to have. (we are deeeep!)
Posted by: Chris Trujillo | January 05, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Let's hope that one of the Schmidt/Loiaza/Kuo trio emerges as a solid #5 starter. Right now, I see that as a spot to pick up some wins from last year. All we need is 20-25 starts, 10-11 wins, 165-180 innings, and ERA of 4.00 to 4.40 or so and we will be much improved over last year. That would be a huge improvement over last year and probably a 6 to 7 games added to the win column. We got virtually nothing from the 5 spot last year. Even a +5 or 6 games will win us the division. That could be the best place to find them.
Also, we need 2006 Furcal to light this candle. GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jim | January 05, 2008 at 01:20 PM
If Joe Torre thinks that Pierre is the 4th best outfielder on the team, then, I am guessing, Juan won't start. He played Melky Cabrera in front of Johnny Damon in NY, and is not likely to feel any pressure to play Juan, streak or contract notwithstanding. In fact, I'm not so sure that Pierre should even be considered the 4th best outfielder. If Delwyn Young shows that his hitting in September was not a mirage, he, not PIerre might be #4 (at least, offensively).
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | January 05, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Right now, I would love to see the Dodgers find a way to trade Pierre as he just isn't a good fit on this club. Also, I believe he will be much happier starting everyday in centerfield and batting leadoff somewhere. I don't see either as an option with the 08 Dodgers if we want to put the best and most competitive team on the field. Personally, I think he is a good guy and I have no ill will toward him as a person. He just doesn't give us the best chance to win as the team is presently structured.
Posted by: jim | January 05, 2008 at 01:33 PM
looks like blue won't be getting Inge for a discount:
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/05/tigers-refuse-to-get-fleeced-may-hold-onto-inge/
i was kinda hoping coletti would snag him. he's a fine player that wouldn't really block laroche long term.
Posted by: ed | January 05, 2008 at 01:40 PM
I think a mandatory New Year's resolution should be for all the Dodgers (especially pitchers) to do do whatever necessary to stay healthy, injury free, and in shape this year.
If Lowe needs to stretch more that do it!
These guys owe the fans their best and this team has had a problem with injuries the last 2 seasons.
I'm hoping the coaches and training staff will look at this very closely this coming year.
Posted by: Andy B | January 05, 2008 at 02:49 PM
No on Inge. We have Nomar as the backup to LaRoche for 08. I think he can put up numbers as good as Inge. Close enough that we don't have to give up anything or take on lots more salary. If we didn't have Nomar, I would definately look into it. If both LaRoche and Nomar fail miserably, Inge will most likely be available in July.
Posted by: jim | January 05, 2008 at 03:06 PM
AMEN ANDy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jim | January 05, 2008 at 06:40 PM
What's this fascination some people have with Brandon Inge?
In 2007 he hit .236/.312/.376. In 508 AB he drew 47 BB with 150 SO and had 25 doubles, 2 triples, and 14 HR. And those numbers are in line with his career stats. Add that he has over $19 million owed to him over the next 3 years, and I ask, WHY WOULD THE DODGERS BE INTERESTED?
If Nomar/LaRoche can't put up those numbers, then the Dodgers should be seeking a better alternative than Inge.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | January 05, 2008 at 06:40 PM
My only beef with Pierre is his defense.. I recall a key game against the Padres where Adrian Gonzalez hit a single to right center. Juan was quick to get there but Adrian went for 2. Juan one hopped the ball into second base. Gonzales was safe. He is probably the slowest guy on their team and knew Pierre could not get the ball in quickly. As a left fielder, how many teams will test his arm with a runner on third? A relay throw to furcal to get an out at home? Pretty lame. His abilities on offense(minus slapping at ball 4s outside the strikezone) are not enough to counter his deficiencies on defense.
Keep in mind that Torre batted Kenny Lofton 1st or 9th during his 2004 season wih the Yanks. Lofton has had a better OBP than Juan throughout his career. He also can throw out a runner from center field and hit an occasional home run.
Matt Kemp will not be allowed any leeway with Torre. He will be told " if you want to be a major league player you cannot catch balls by holding your glove behind your ear. If you run through a stop sign (thank god its not Donnely) be prepared to sit. Eithier has talent - he can hit .300 in the majors. Don Corleone(mattingly) will also tell him to step 2 inches closer to the plate-more plate coverage.
Our only hope is that all this negative press has driven Juan to prove all of us wrong. He begins serious weightlifting - using weighted baseballs like the pitchers - and corrects his throwing across his body/flat footed technique." He can also get on base with pitch recognition exercises. He has been operating with the "contact with the ball is good" methodology. 500 OUTS is not good. A variety of exercises can change his OBP% and make him a viable leadoff hitter.
Posted by: bt1 | January 05, 2008 at 06:55 PM
The Inge "deal" is probably the worst idea ever. Nomar will not be batting 3rd ever again - thank god( Grady batted him 3rd for the 1st 70 games). Laroche and Nomar will be adequate as #8 hitters. Pierre and $10M should be dealt to Minnesota for a reliever. That limits his salary to $6m takes him off our books.
Posted by: bt1 | January 05, 2008 at 07:06 PM
Pierre gone at any cost is a plus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jim | January 05, 2008 at 07:42 PM