Question of the Day: Clayton or no?
In his column this morning, the LAT's Bill Plaschke revisits a topic that was hot coming out of Spring Training (you know, like, a month ago), that of Clayton Kershaw. With the Dodgers struggling, seven games behind the Diamondbacks and seemingly in need of more pitching to bolster a flagging offense, Plaschke advocates the promotion of Kershaw to the big club:
"You don't have to use him every five days. You don't have to use him for more than 70 pitches at a time. You can even stick him in the bullpen for a couple of months.
But you need to bring up Clayton Kershaw, and you need to do it now.
"I have to tell you," said General Manager Ned Colletti, "that thought has crossed my mind."
Of course it has.
Has anybody watching the Dodgers not thought about it?"
It's a classic debate about pushing a top prospect, the future of the franchise in a lot of ways, too quickly to satisfy short term needs. The pros and cons are numerous. So with that, I ask today's QOTD:
Should the Blue promote Kershaw now? Should they wait until later in the season? Should they resist the urge entirely?
Like I mentioned, there solid arguments to pull the trigger, and other reasons to be more conservative. Within Plaschke's column, one of the big worries is addressed, Ned Colletti worries aloud about how Kershaw might hold up for the rest of the season if he's brought up now, to which BP has a very reasonable answer:
"The thing I'm trying to get past is, what if we get into late September and the kid is out of bullets?" said Colletti. "How are we going to shut him down?"
If the Dodgers aren't careful, there may not be a late September.
Admittedly, when the choice is between fast-tracking a pitcher, especially one as young as Kershaw, to the Bigs, I generally default to waiting... but the Blue could certainly use some help, and Kershaw, who lit up Spring Training and currently sports a 1.83 ERA with 23 strikeouts in 19+ inning at AA Jacksonville, could qualify.
Here's how I break it down:
PRO: The Dodgers currently have a hole in the fifth starter spot, and Kershaw, even in limited innings, could provide a major boost, especially until Chad Billingsley turns things around. If he's pitching well, the chances of the Blue in his slot go up.
CON: Kershaw is yet to pitch 45 innings at the AA level. The learning curve, even for someone as talented as him, is steep, and jumping to the Majors doesn't exactly take any of the burden away. Beyond the worries about overstressing his arm, it's fair to ask how consistent he'll be at this level while still learning to pit
PRO: If they think they might promote him at some point anyway, why wait? As Plaschke points out, there's really no point in saving his arm for September if the Dodgers are too far out.
CON: The intensity of throwing to Major League hitters is different than the minors. Every pitch has to be tighter, with better location. Even if the Dodgers are incredibly careful about pitch counts and innings limits, similar to what the Yankees with last season's "Joba Rules" designed to minimize the strain on prized prospect Joba Chamberlain, there's still a risk.
PRO: Did I mention the Blue could use a boost?
CON: As Colletti mentions, if they start the clock on him now, it's reasonable to ask what he'll be able to contribute down the stretch. It's still only April 25th, and the Dodgers are still yet to get hot. Hell, they're yet to get lukewarm. This assumes, of course, they're capable of it. And besides, unless Kershaw can bring home runners in scoring position, his presence doesn't solve their fundamental problem.
PRO: Once the initial hoopla of his arrival dies down, there won't be much pressure on Kershaw, especially if he's throwing out of the pen. He won't be expected to carry the team or be some sort of savior.
CON: Because he'd have to be held to a very tight pitch count, if Kershaw were to start it's unlikely he'll help alleviate any pressure on the pen. He might actually create more, since you know on his day, the starter isn't likely to go more than five, maybe six innings. Of course, the same can be said now for Hong-Chi Kuo and Esteban Loaiza...
VERDICT: If the Dodgers believe that Kershaw can be effective at the Major League level, either as a starter or a reliever, there's really no point in wasting him in Jacksonville or Vegas. The Dodgers would have to show incredible discipline in his use, something that (as Plaschke mentions) Joe Torre was able to do in New York with Chamberlain. If Kershaw helps pitch them to September but then has to be shut down to preserve his arm, so be it. This is a kid who could anchor the rotation for the next decade. You don't screw with him now.
If the Blue could do that, I don't see the harm. I'm sure they were hoping a better start would delay this decision, but it isn't happening. They can't wait too long.
BK

Bring on the Curveshaw... he excites Vin and that alone is cool and good enough for me.
is kershawmania.com available?
Posted by: benzo jones | April 25, 2008 at 04:28 PM
Yeah. Thats pretty much what I said about six weeks ago in a post. The dodgers need a shot of excitment and maybe this guy can administer it.If he can't well then he can't. I think we all get to caught up over analizing this game. Let the Dude pitch and lets see what happens. Bring him up and I might actualyy get my ass away from the TV and get down to McCourtland.
Like you say Benzo, Vinnies excited and that guy probably knows more then any of us Idiots.
Posted by: dodgerdog | April 25, 2008 at 06:15 PM
I posted this in the previous thread:
"Based on what I saw in spring training, I too would like to see Kershaw in LA this year. But I'm willing to trust the judgment of the professionals in this case, not Plaschke. There are two points that Plaschke makes that I find lack validity. His reference to Blake DeWitt starting the year with Dodgers before fully maturing bears no relation to Kershaw. First of all, DeWitt is almost 3 years older than Kershaw, and was drafted in 2003 vs. 2006 for Kershaw. Also, pitchers cannot be treated the same way as position players. As DeWitt, Chamberlain is nearly three years older than Kershaw, and although drafted in the same year, Chamberlain came out of college, whereas Kershaw was a high school draftee. Comparing Kershaw to DeWitt and Chamberlain is like comparing apples and oranges.
If the Dodger management believes that Kershaw needs some more minor league time before getting the call, I'm not going to argue. He's too valuable a prospect to take any chances with. Besides, there are mature alternatives, e.g., James McDonald, or even Jon Meloan, that can fill the fifth starter's role in the interim."
Here's a Kershaw update since that post:
Tonight Kershaw pitched 6 innings with the following line:
0 runs
2 hits
2 BB
8 SO
That gives him an overall line for the year of:
25.2 innings
17 hits
10 BB
31 SO
1.40 ERA
Again, Dodger management knows a lot more about Kershaw than I do, so I am still inclined to let them make the call. Pitching in the majors is considerably more stressful than pitching in Jacksonville. His 10 walks in a little over 25 innings works out to about 3.5 walks per nine innings, which isn't great, but not bad either.
As I noted previously, I completely reject the comparisons to Joba Chamberlain given the latter's maturity edge of nearly 3 years.
Given that Kershaw pitched tonight, if he is going to be called up, the earliest would probably been next week.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | April 25, 2008 at 07:31 PM
I'll add one thing to my previous post concerning Kershaw. If he is moved up, I would prefer it be LA than the hitter haven in Las Vegas or anywhere in the PCL. That's not a good place for young pitchers.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | April 25, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Im so angry with management and the way they keep putting Matt Kemp on the bench.........and let Andrew Jones stay in
Posted by: Aryan | April 25, 2008 at 07:57 PM
Plaschke is wrong. The only reason to bring up Kershaw is if you're going to put him in the rotation. Otherwise he needs to stay in the minors and pitch. Maybe before the all-star break though.
Posted by: uclart47 | April 25, 2008 at 10:56 PM
everyone's all giddy about kershaw, assuming he will be like the K-man (koufax) but what's to say he won't more closely resemble another K-man lefty prospect from that same era ("K"arl Spooner)?
p.s. does anyone actually realize that koufax birth name was "sanford braun"?)
Posted by: bigunit | April 26, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Last time I checked, pitching wasn't the Dodgers' problem. hitting was. Unless Kershaw can hit Ankiel-style, he's not ggoing to help Matt Kemp hit the slider, Juan Pierre take walks, or Andruw Jones get one out of the infield.
Let's see Kershaw face some AAA hitters before we anoint him the next Johan Santana.
Posted by: SaMo | April 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Plaskche is the equivalent of the attention-starved 9th grader who just waits to say the most attention-grabbing thing he can. I don't even think he really has any opinions of his own, just the proclivity to stir the pot.
And he's also completely wrong. Let Kershaw develop; don't pull an Edwin Jackson and pluck him from the vine before he's ripe. I totally agree with Brooklyn that you can't compare the situation to pitchers who are older, or any position player at all. Excellent points, Brooklyn.
And Aryan, your thoughts sound so much more reasonable when they're not in CAPS. Thanks, dude.
Posted by: VA Blueblood | April 26, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Big unit
Who cares what Sandy's birth name was!!!!
Posted by: dodgerdog | April 26, 2008 at 04:34 PM
does anyone actually realize that "dodgerdog" birth name was "dummy dodgerdog"?
Posted by: bigunit | April 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM