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You can't always get what you want

Juan_pierre_runs One point of debate on Wednesday's Purple, Gold and Blue broadcast centered around Juan Pierre.  What to do with him when he came back, where to play him, and in what spot in the lineup.  Earlier in the year, I was on record as supporting an OF of Ethier, Jones, and Kemp, basically every day, with a smattering of JP in there.  Given that we're a week away from August and Jones is hitting .166 and has only 12 more RBIs than I do, it's reasonable to reevaluate my earlier position.  I still believe, especially given their recent performance, that Kemp and Ethier need to play every day.  Period.  But if Joe Torre wants to sit Jones, you won't hear me complain.  Torre has implied it's a possibility, but we still won't know how the OF is going to shake out until Pierre is officially available to play.  I have a bad feeling it won't turn out the way I'm hoping.

We do know, though, that when Pierre plays, he'll lead off, something else I was hoping I wouldn't see.  Simply put, Matt Kemp, despite his tendency to swing and miss, has been more productive at the top of the lineup than Pierre.  Now, if the logic behind moving Kemp centered around adding another bat to the middle of the order, helping to beef up the heart of LA's lineup, I'd likely accept that- but the motivation seems to be getting JP's speed back to the top of the lineup:  "He doesn't give us the power threat that Matt gives us. But he knows how to lead off," said Torre in this piece from the LAT's Kevin Baxter, "He's going to make the pitcher work hard and be a threat on the bases. He's a good spark plug for us."



Not surprisingly, DodgerThoughts beat me to the punch (the man has kids and a real job that demands an even earlier rise than I get) on some of the logic problems that come with insisting the Dodgers are better off with Pierre up top than Kemp, so I won't reproduce them all here.  But a fundamental problem is this:

Although Matt Kemp, who has batted first most often in Pierre's absence, has a .393 on-base percentage and a .532 slugging percentage in the leadoff spot -- both far superior to Pierre's .327 and .318 figures -- he has also struck out nearly a third of the time, and only six of his 22 stolen bases have come when he was batting leadoff.
 
Pierre, meanwhile, is the toughest outfielder in the majors to the strike out, and his 35 steals still rank second in the league despite the fact he has missed a month.

DT points out that, well, Kemp has only hit leadoff for 19 games, so the six SBs in comparison to Pierre is to be expected (and is actually a pretty good number).  To his other point, somehow, Kemp striking out more but being superior in virtually every other way matters more than the fact that Pierre generates more outs and less offense but makes more consistent contact, because, in large part, pitchers have absolutely no fear of letting him hit the ball, knowing as long as they don't walk him, the numbers are overwhelmingly in their favor.  Again, if the goal was to move Kemp's ability to drive the ball into the heart of the order- and that might play into it, I'll find out tonight- I'd feel a better.  Otherwise, though, it's another example of one of baseball's sacred cows taking priority over actual production and logic. 

Can't say I like that.  Thus endeth the rant. 

In other news, Matt Kemp seems to be ramping up his learning curve.  Nomar, knock on wood, is not only playing well at short, but managing to stay on the field.   Don Mattingly is settling in as hitting coach, and the Dodgers hope he can make an impact.   

John Heyman of SI.com writes that front office issues are making it hard for the Dodgers to make deals.

The ten game homestand LA kicks off tonight is a prime opportunity to make some noise in the NL West, starting tonight with the first of three against Washington.   Chad Billingsley vs. John Lannan.

The Dodgers and the city are providing/reviving shuttle service from Union Station to Dodger Stadium for every home game remaining on the schedule, starting 90 minutes before the first pitch, and ending 60 minutes after the last.  If anyone takes advantage, please drop us a review of the experience. Hopefully it helps with game time traffic.

BK

Comments
poppinfresh

K-bros can u negotiate a raise for me? HDM who is the president?

Rob

Hollywood Mark,
You're only the Vice President of the Pierre Club? Who's the President?....
Hollywood Mark,
President, Vice President, Treasurer, Secretary, and sole member of the Juan Pierre Fan Club.

Wow, I don't think even Pierre likes himself as much as you do.

Rob

AK,
Why do you make me hate JP so much??!! Can you lighten up a little.... oh... and can you help with my hatred for Colletti.... I don't like hating people.
Thanks.

 bob

Time to end the controversy of who should be the leadoff batter. My candidate is Andruw Jones....he always makes the pitcher work hard...never get him out with one or two pitches, takes at least three. Also, would allow our pitcher to get frequent walks as opposing pitcher choose to pitch to Swish.

tio

REPKO is the president of all the clubs

Package

AK/BK
Wow! I knew you guys were up to no good. By the way who is Little Billy in the Valley?? And to think, we can't even get a regular live blog. Shame Shame Shame. HaHa.

Package

DavidS

KBros,
I always knew there was something fishy about that 18Mil. At least that is cleared up. But if you are such Pierre haters, how did he get 45mil?
David

Brooklyn Dodger

VAB,

Thanks for the compliment. It's truly appreciated.

If you're going to apply Pierre's 35 SBs to his slugging pct., then why not do the same for Kemp's 22 steals? Then again, maybe you did.

I don't agree with you that speed "barely-ever-matters." Speed is important on defense, and with respect to baserunning, it's importance is not only measured by SBs, but by the ability of a hitter to beat out infield hits, avoid double plays, and take extra bases (same for baserunners). Over the course of a year speed can make a difference in a lot of games. The problem I have with Pierre is that he doesn't utilize his speed to its utmost. He doesn't get on base often enough, is not anywhere near the bunter he is reputed to be, and his defense is lacking due to poor jumps and a non-existent throwing arm that causes the eyes of opposing baserunners to light up when the ball is hit in his direction. In other words, his speed is severely negated by all of his other shortcomings. Also, Juan Pierre is not nearly as fast as he was when the Marlins won the WS in 2003. If I had to bet on a race between Kemp and Pierre, my money would be on Kemp.

Brooklyn Dodger

HDM,

I may be "among the most ignorant [fans] in the game", but at least I can spell "Kaminsky" (oops, I mean "Kamenetzky").

dcerros

Ok Kbros,

According to Hollywood Mark you now have the power to fire Ned Colleti.

Waiting................

Mel Paulhamus

If Kemp strikes out with runners on 1st and 2nd it only counts as one , if Pierre hits a grounder, it's a double play or 2 outs. Wish I knew what was going on in the heads of the manager and higher ups, Jones is probably finished.

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