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Two aces up, two aces down

If you had told me 10 days ago, with the Dodgers in the midst of a losing streak defined by shocking offensive futility, that they'd make hay in the NL West race beating up on Arizona aces Dan Haren and Brandon Webb not just one, twice, or three times in a week, but four, I'd have politely excused myself, pulled out my cell phone, called the local loony bin and told them a crazy person was on the loose.  Downright loco, I'd say, primed for the straightest of jackets and a padded cell similar to the one this guy required. 

Rather than crazy, though, you'd have been psychic, since after Saturday afternoon's 7-0 win over the Diamondbacks, that's exactly what the Dodgers have done.  Having beaten the combo last weekend in Phoenix, the Dodgers again knocked off Dan Haren Friday night before taking down Brandon Webb today, breaking open an early pitcher's duel with a three run homer from Manny Ramirez in the fifth, then four more runs in a walk-laden sixth.  On a day when Arizona needed the hardware worthy Webb, his final numbers- 5.2 IP, 7 ER, 6 BB- were less Cy Young, more Burt Young.  Meanwhile, Chad Billingsley was solid for the Dodgers, striking out nine and allowing only four hits over 6.1 innings of work.

When it was over, LA had its seventh straight win and moved into first place by a half game over the Snakes, the first time the Dodgers have been alone at the top of the NL West since April 4, when at 3-1 they held a half game lead over San Diego.  Given Arizona's level of play over the last 10 days and relative softness of the Dodgers' September schedule, at this point you can say the Blue have the inside track to the division title.  If Haren and Webb can't win for Arizona, they're in deep, deep trouble. 

Whouda thunkit? 

Click below for the breakdown.

The Good

  • Billingsley: On a day where he had to provide big innings for the Blue, that's exactly what Billingsley did, matching and exceeding Webb even in the early going when neither team was able to get on the board.  He was aggressive all day, getting ahead of Arizona hitters before making big pitches to end at bats.  "I felt really good, and able to control my delivery," Billingsley said.  "I didn't try to do anything different than I've done from start to start.  Having confidence makes a big difference."  So does the ability to locate his pitches.  Russell Martin said part of Billingsley's effectiveness came from throwing breaking pitches for strikes, but Billingsley said the fastball was the difference.  "I was throwing it where I wanted to," he said. "I just stayed aggressive with the fastball mostly today.  My arm felt good and I was able to pound the zone with the fastball."

Joe Torre said after the game it's no stretch to call him an ace quality, big game pitcher.  "He likes anonymity, but he also likes being in the middle of the diamond in an important time," Torre said.  "He reminds me a lot of (Andy) Pettitte, who enjoyed the fact that writers would always talk to somebody else, but when the game was in the balance, he wanted to be the guy who was going to pitch.  That's what I see in Chad Billingsley." 

  • Manny Ramirez: In the third, Manny came to the plate with the bases loaded, two outs, and Webb quickly dispatched him on a three pitch strikeout.  In the fifth, he came up with men on first and second and two out... and drilled Webb's first pitch over the wall in right to give the Dodgers a 3-0 lead.  Webb, who had walked Andre Ethier one batter before tried to sneak a first pitch fastball past Ramirez.  Bad idea.  With that, the crowd was energized, and the Dodgers staked Billinsgley to a lead on a day where it was clear the Diamondbacks would struggle to score.  And just to show that Manny's been livin' clean, he earned two more RBIs an inning later when with the bases loaded Justin Upton lost his high fly ball in the sun, resulting in a ground rule double.   

Five RBIs on the night gave Ramirez 1,706 and vaulted him to 20th all time, passing Reggie Jackson and Frank Thomas.  His homer put him in a tie for 17th with 521, equal to Thomas, Willie McCovey, and Ted Williams.  Not a bad day.

  • Patience: The Dodgers drew nine walks, including two that forced in runs.  Martin and Ethier were particularly patient.  Six walks between them, including some big ones.  Both walked to set up Manny's AB in the third, then Ethier walked again in the fifth before the homer.  Martin forced in LA's fourth run in the sixth, Ethier forced in the fifth, and both kept the inning alive for Manny's sun-aided double.  Those ABs were huge, and indicative of a confidence and patience the Dodgers haven't always displayed this season.  "What Russell and Ethier did in that inning we scored four runs was very impressive," Torre said.  "I don't think it would have happened nine days ago in the middle of what we were doing (on the road during the losing streak)," Torre said. 

The Bad

  • Relievers Not Named Cory Wade: It would have been nice to see the Dodgers finish this one off without needing to use Jonathan Broxton.  Not a huge deal since he only threw to one batter and hadn't thrown in a couple days, but still, when it's 7-0 heading into the ninth, the hope is to finish things off without an appearance from the closer.  Unfortunately, a slightly over-geeked Scott Elbert, making his Dodger Stadium debut, and Jason Johnson couldn't quite get it done. 

Audio

  • Joe Torre (lest there be any confusion, the question he's answering is if there's any reason Bills can't be considered an ace-type guy.  No, he says.): Download joe_torre_9.6.mp3

Notes

  • For those who missed it, Randy Johnson was scratched from Sunday's game for Arizona with shoulder issues.  Max Scherzer will get the ball instead.
  • Remember, Live Blog tomorrow, with AK at the helm.

BK

Comments

Billingsley has four starts left I believe. Say he wins all four. He finishes the year 18-10 with an ERA under 3.00. Cy Young?

Bills for Cy Young! Let's create some buzz for him! All I hear is Sabathia and Webb. CHAD BILLINGSLEY!

Billingsley 14-10 3.02 ERA 182.0 IP 186 SO
I really believe Billingsley deserves some recognition and be in contention for the Cy Young award. If someone makes the argument that Sabathia from his 12 starts with the Brewers should be the Cy Young, then Ramirez in his 33 games with the Dodgers should be the MVP. I don't believe that should be the case. Some argue that Sabathia affects more games because he saves the bullpen with his complete games, then Ramirez should be MVP because he has raised the level of play of many Dodgers. I would agree that Lincecum has better numbers in all categories than Bills, but he is pitching for a losing team out of contention. Therefore, he should not win. Pitching games that don't count is much easy than what Bills has to do. Finally, there is Webb. He has a higher ERA than Bills and Bills has more SO than him.

Sorry Dodger faithful, as much as I would like to see our boys in blue win as much hardware as possible, if not Webb (and it shouldn't be - he has not delivered when needed) then the Cy Young has to go up north to Lincecum. He has been superior to all National League pitchers all season long.
Don't get me wrong, Bills and Sabathia belong in the conversation (as did Webb until these last two starts) but Lincecum, beats them all in the stats that count, the stats he controls - ERA, WHIP and Ks (Wins are overrated in Cy Young consideration and if not then having at least 15 wins for that dreadful team speaks volumes). The others are just a step behind his pace.

GO BLUE!

If Webb wins 21 games he will get Cy Young

Webb still has to be considered the favorite for the Cy Young, with Sabathia now a close second.

I love Billz a s much as anyone, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. IF he goes f 4-0 in the last 4, we can talk Cy then, but Webb would have to fail to win 20 in his next 4 for the conversation even to start.

As dismayed as I have been with this team through thick and thin, I'm reminded of the patience we all preached at the beginning of the season. It's a long season, and still far from over. But the teams that persevere in September are the ones that move on. What happened in April, May, or even August are no longer relevant.

We all agreed that Sept. 8 was going to be a good time to take this team's temperature. Well, it's Sept. 6 and the Dodgers on Sept. 8 are either going to be in first place or half a game back with 19 to play. We all would have signed on for that at any time in the season.

From here on out, the best team wins the division. Period. The season is 20 games long.

Hey Tom, that's a good point - Bills has done it under the pressure of a pennant race.
I meant to address that in my post but got sidetracked (Thanks, honey).
The problem is we don't know how Lincecum would perform in a race (I suspect he would perform just as well as he has and just as well if not better than Bills), but I think that it's unfair to penalize him for playing on a dreadful team - that is not in his control.
Try this - would you trade Bills for Lincecum for this season?
In my gut, I say hell yeah, in my heart hell no (Bills is one of our boys and Lincecum is a rival) . But if you'd say yeah as well, then I think the choice is clear.

Wins will decide the award because the votes look at votes waaaay too much. Today during the game they had a list of Cy Young candidates and Aaron Cook was on it! AARON FREAKING COOK! He's 16-8 with a 4.10 ERA a higher WHIP then Bills and only 88 strikeouts! That was pathetic.

It's a bummer that The Unit won't be making his Face-that-only-a-mother-could-love be seen on the diamond tomorrow at Dodger Stadium. However, I am super geeked that we are looking at a Clayton Kershaw/Max Schurtzer match-up tomorrow, instead!

Can you say: PITCHINGPHENOMAPALOOZA '08????

It's very nice to be in first all by ourselves.

Woot indeed.

Wow did I screw my post up. That is what I get for trying to blog and good dinner at the same time. Voters overrate Wins so Chad won't have a chance to win unless he does go 4-0 and Webb drops off the face of the earth. It's unfortunate but that's what you get when you have sports writers vote for awards.

puhleease, Tim Lincecum is the clear frontrunner for the Cy Young now.

Lincecame and went with his last outing.

Manny!

mike t.

Mike T.
Andre too
I sure hope they don't let J Kent back in starting Line-up, but if they do have him bat 9th so he can show everyone how good he is.

Wow how about this, buying a bike from Jeff Kent.

JK—Hi can I help you
Buyer—Yes I looking for bike can you tell me about this one
JK—Yes It’s got two wheels and two cylinders
Buyer—I know that, but how much horse power and how does it ride
JK—Listen I a former ML baseball player, I don’t have the time know all that stuff here just take the keys and go for a ride you will see.
Buyer—Okay (as the rider is taking off JK see’s his jacket and it is a Hells Angels one) Rider says thanks for bike later sucker
JK--- Damn it they got me again

The Cy Young differs from the MVP in that it is for the best pitcher, not necessary the most valuable to his team. Two weeks ago, I would have said Webb, now I'd say Lincecum or, on the outside, Sabathia (only because of his late arrival in the NL). In 1988, Danny Jackson (23-7) if I recall correctly) was the top contender until Hershiser's brilliant finish. Gibson won the MVP - but not because of big numbers. Pitchers rarely get MVP consideration, but Hershiser certainly deserved consideration that year.

Adrian-

I agree that voters tend to overrate wins. No question. But even if Webb gets to 20, if he continues to slide like he has over the last three starts, it won't matter. One advantage Lincecum has is that he's piling up great numbers in relative obscurity. Webb's failures, b/c they're in a pennant race, have been very public. And for Bills, if he blows people away in September, he could enter the conversation. I don't think he will (or necessarily should) win- but he should get some love.

BK

I believe it was a 7-2 win, not a 7-0 win.Still very pretty, though.

Big changes coming! More later.

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