Buster Olney on Manny Ramirez: The market is a changin'
Very interesting stuff today from Buster Olney at ESPN.com on Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers' offer of arbitration for the dreadlocked slugger:
Executives around baseball ... are having a difficult time envisioning how Ramirez would make more in salary in 2009 than if he accepted arbitration. He made $20 million last season -- although the present-day value was just a little more than $17 million -- and following a historic performance in which Ramirez hit .396 for the Dodgers in two months, driving in 53 runs in 53 games, his arbitration award would be breathtaking. (Scott) Boras would be in position to set a new and stunning standard through that process, and could ask for A-Rod money.
But accepting arbitration would represent a staggering surrender for Ramirez, who had hoped for a nine-figure contract, and for Boras, who has been talking a deal for as long as six years for the 36-year-old outfielder. One year for $28 million is a long way from four years for $100 million, or six years for $150 million. Some friends of Ramirez do not believe that he will allow Boras to take arbitration, as tempting as it may be. "This is not going to be an easy time for Scott," a friend of Ramirez said.
Always fun when the interests of Boras and a Boras client seem to clash. (Scotty B. wouldn't try to push a guy in a direction he might otherwise not want to go, would he? Perish the thought.)
Olney believes right now, the Dodgers are well positioned in the Manny Sweepstakes. If by chance Manny accepts arbitration -- personally, I don't see it happening -- the Blue can welcome him back with only a one-year commitment. While that risks a sulking Ramirez in '09 and more extension talk than a focus group for Viagra users, from the team's perspective it would be ideal. And certainly Manny would return motivated for another deal. If he doesn't and signs somewhere else, Olney believes the Dodgers can legitimately say they tried, based on a $45-million offer they put out last month. Plus, they'd get the two draft picks as compensation.
Olney continues, and to me, this is where it gets more interesting:
There has been a push from the media in L.A. for the Dodgers to go to a third or fourth year to sign Ramirez (Editor's note: Buster must be reading Blue Notes!), but a question that should be considered is this: Who, exactly, is competing with the Dodgers' offers? What force in the market would appear to compel them to go beyond what they have on the table? And wouldn't it be poor management to compete with one's own offer?
Boras mentioned earlier this offseason, in speaking with reporters, his belief that Major League Baseball is beyond the reach of the nation's economic trouble. But on the face of it, the negotiating landscape for Ramirez beyond the Dodgers' offer of arbitration appears to be very ugly. Many of the traditional big-money teams won't be involved.
I've written/spoken at length about my feelings on the Dodgers' first offer to Ramirez, and how I didn't think the offer was a legitimate one, if the goal was to actually bring him back. A starting point? Sure. A final offer? No. But that was predicated on the notion that there would be a market for Manny that went to three or four years, perhaps even five. I fully admit that measuring the free-agent market has never been my strength, and if it's not as robust as I thought -- for the record, I always put a lot of faith in Buster -- then Olney is exactly right. There's no reason for the Dodgers to bid against themselves, as they've done in the past (see Brown, Kevin).
He notes that beyond Manny, "prices in the corner outfield market are collapsing." That means guys like Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu could be lighter in the wallet than they expected, which could drag down the figures for the premier players like Ramirez. (Incidentally, the idea of Bobby Abreu came up on our chat earlier in the week, and initially I didn't like the idea, but upon further review I'm warming up to it. He's not the Abreu of seven years ago but is still a productive player, and if the terms were right could be a nice consolation prize. Obviously that would add more crowd to the OF, but in a non-Manny world an Ethier/Kemp/Abreu OF seems more appealing than anything with Juan Pierre or Andruw Jones, at least offensively. Abreu is a pretty wretched outfielder at this point in his career, but so are the other available FAs. Again, the devil is in the details, but the notion seems more appealing now than it did a few days ago. And I'm still bullish on Randy Johnson!)
If the market has shrunk the way Olney seems to believe, it'll add serious tension to Hot Stove season. Timing will be incredibly important: Jump too early and players could miss out on the better offers as teams become more, um, motivated to fill holes. Wait too long and the money could dry up. It also
changes the context of the discussion for the Dodgers. If the price comes down on Dunn, for example, while Boras continues to push for length and bucks for Manny, the price/benefit ratio improves on the lefty slugger and all the other second-tier guys because it leaves more money for the team to improve in other areas.
I'm not on Boras' speed dial, so I don't know his plan, but he's never been a guy to rush, instead preferring to play chicken with opposing GMs, waiting for them to veer into a ditch. It seems to work. This season, though, he could be in trouble. If he pushes Ramirez to arbitration, we'll know.
At some point, the Dodgers will have to make a move to start the process of filling the many holes on the roster, if only to narrow the potential directions they can go. From a personnel standpoint, I'm still all about bringing Manny back. He's the best bat out there, and the team desperately needs one. If Olney's analysis of the market is on target, patience, both in measuring any new offer to Manny and in waiting him out, could be the order of the day.
In other news:
- Kurt Streeter of the LAT has another view of the whole McCourt/salary/children controversy. I think he misses the point, but it's worth reading another perspective.
- Edgar Renteria is headed to San Francisco. The Giants have already brought in Bobby Howry to bolster their bullpen. Bill Shaikin takes a look at the evolving landscape at shortstop.
- Meanwhile, the Padres continue to cut costs, sending Khalil Greene to St. Louis.
BK

Tim, how is the Zito working out for ya bud? I am so glad the giants are tooling to be champs with chump players. Aaron Rowand really must have saved your franchise!
I'll give you credit for Lincecum, but behind him your team is old and decrepit. Your team has not won a series since coming to SF, its been 53 years and counting since your last series win... Keep laughing Tim, its good for the heart.
Posted by: poppinfresh | December 05, 2008 at 07:48 AM
Just a note for those who were unsure if Manny had agreed to decline arbitration as a condition of his trade to L.A. (I'm not sure that I've seen many recently).
"ESPN's Jerry Crasnick checked with a team official involved in the Manny Ramirez deal, and he learned that Ramirez did not agree to reject the Dodgers' offer of arbitration as a condition of the trade (contrary to a few reports). This information was obtained via an email from Crasnick."
Re: FURCAL
I also read that Oakland is willing to leave the offer to Furcal on the table for a few more day & then will move on, for what that's worth.
Posted by: Gibby's Limp | December 05, 2008 at 09:52 AM
Poppinfresh,
I believe the last Series win was in 1954. With 2009 upon us, that makes 55 years of futility, and counting.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | December 05, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Even if Manny previously agreed to decline arbitration as a condition of his trade to the Dodgers, that doesn't mean that Manny/Boras and the Dodgers couldn't come to a mutual agreement now to have Manny accept arbitration, if that's what both parties desire.
Posted by: Brooklyn Dodger | December 05, 2008 at 10:39 AM
You're right brooklyn, thanks for catching that. Keep reaching for the sky giants fans!
Posted by: poppinfresh | December 05, 2008 at 11:34 AM
DBB strikes again
Posted by: K T | December 05, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Nobody said that "Manny/Boras and the Dodgers couldn't come to a mutual agreement now to have Manny accept arbitration, if that's what both parties desire" "Even if Manny previously agreed to decline arbitration as a condition of his trade to the Dodgers." Get over yourself.
It was simply stated that Manny never actually agreed to decline arbitration if L.A. offered it. I brought it up because there were blogs/papers/reports/etc. stating after the trade, that part of Manny's desire to accept a trade out of Boston was his willingness to decline arbitration from the team he was ultimately dealt to.
Whether or not YOU ever believed it doesn't really matter to me. I was sharing with the rest of the class. There was never a need to share it with you anyway, as you're apparently the smartest person alive, (you didn't have to say it, I can read it EVERYTIME you post - here and elsewhere in the Dodgers community) always ready and willing to spread your knowledge of all things baseball to any set of eyes your usually long, boring, opinionated, and pompous responses can reach.
Posted by: Gibby's Limp | December 05, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Hey Gibby, Sharing information is part of blogging. Brooklyn is a valued member of this community, and he shares lots of good information that I appreciate reading. There is no need to get personal in responses. We are all Dodger fans here. Lets save the venom for the Gnats.
Posted by: Santa Rosa Dodger | December 05, 2008 at 07:32 PM
i'm going put this out there and head to a bomb shelter..why are dodger fans (me included) so eager to want furcal back given the series of errors which in my opinion cost us games 1 and 5 of the nlcs ? and by the way, how come no one talks about it especially now ? i don't want to relive that series, but why the silence ? there is no guarantee on his health, and looking at last october, is he really worth resigning ? i got nothing against the guy but all he did was a decent 2006 and a great start to 2008. and on the negative side...well you know. could someone explain that to me ?
Posted by: cramsib | December 06, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Hey giants fan, Manny will get signed and so will furcal as far as blake.Id rather see kent @ 2nd and Dewitt @ 3rd. Coletti will package Pierre and repko for a front line starter Andrew Jones will be back with a vengeance and so will Jason Schmidt.And Once again your sorry assed fagtown midgets in their shiny new ballpark will wish they never heard JUNE SWOON. Man i really miss candlestick at least the giants had men for fans at that ballpark
Posted by: Mr. Barkley Jr | December 06, 2008 at 03:29 AM
Damn, now you're doing some serious analysis writing. I'm almost jealous.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | December 06, 2008 at 05:03 PM